Wednesday, September 14, 2011

SAUNDARANANDA 11.51: Pain & Pleasure

tiivraM hy utpadyate duHkhaM iha taavan mumuuRshataaM /
kiM punaH patataaM svargaad ev' aante sukha-sevinaaM //11.51//

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For intense already is the pain that arises

In those facing death in this world.

How much worse is it for pleasure-addicts

When they finally fall from heaven?


COMMENT:
The sukha-sevinaam of line 4 means being addicted or devoted to pleasure, which Ananda sees as a fault, as opposed, for example, to the virtue of being devoted to practice or work on the self.

But lest it be misunderstood as a killjoy ascetic view, this verse might be best understood in light of previous verses in which Ananda has spoken of such work on the self as inherently enjoyable, viz: Therefore if you want enjoyment, let your mind be directed within./ Tranquil and impeccable is enjoyment of the inner self and there is no enjoyment to equal it.//11.34// In it, you have no need of musical instruments, or women, or ornaments; / On your own, wherever you are, you can indulge in that enjoyment.//11.35//

Intense emotional pain, it seems to me, is generally associated with pulling my head back and down and thinking what might have been. And so an antidote to such emotional pain might be to direct the head forward and up, in such a way as the back keeps tending to lengthen and widen.

I wonder, then, if it is possible, even at the point of death, to keep looking forward, directing the head forward and -- if one is sitting or standing -- upward.

Dogen in his instructions for sitting-meditation for everyone, seems to point to such a possibility, relying on the power of working on the self.



EH Johnston:
For think how bitter is the suffering in this world of those at the point of death ; how much worse then is the suffering of the devotees of pleasure who fall at the last from Paradise?

Linda Covill:
People at death's door here in this world feel violent sorrow; how much more so the pleasure-addicts when they finally fall from heaven!


VOCABULARY:
tiivram (nom. sg. n.): mfn. strong , severe , violent , intense , hot , pervading , excessive , ardent , sharp , acute , pungent , horrible
hi: for
utpadyate = 3rd pers. sg. ut- √ pad: to arise , rise , originate , be born or produced ; to come forth , become visible , appear
duHkham (nom. sg.): n. suffering, sorrow

iha: ind. in this place , here, in this world, now
taavat: ind. at once , now , just ; indeed, truly; already (opposed to " how much more " or " how much less ")
mumuuRshataam = gen. pl. m. pres. part. desid. mR: to wish or be about to die , face death

kim punar: ind. how much more? how much less?
patataam = gen. pl. m. pres. part. pat: to fall
svargaat (abl. sg.): m. heaven

eva: (emphatic)
ante (loc. sg.): m. end , limit , boundary , term; end of life, death
sukha-sevinaam (gen. pl. m.): addicted to pleasure
sukha: n. pleasure, ease, comfort
sevin: mfn. (only ifc.) going or resorting to , frequenting , inhabiting; addicted to , fond of , enjoying , practising , employing

5 comments:

  1. Andrew, does your Orinal Nature
    have a name? The Known has names.
    Infinite possiblity has no name.
    Why do you choose to have a name?
    If you die every day, do you still
    need a name?

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  2. the point is not

    "name"

    or

    "no

    name"

    but

    personal
    consistency

    or

    "do

    one

    thing
    and

    say

    another

    in

    english !"

    there
    are

    millions

    like

    you

    unfortuantely

    : o (

    give

    me

    two

    cents

    for

    every

    twit

    who

    claims

    to

    know

    something

    about

    this

    on

    these

    boards/

    blogs

    and

    i'd

    be

    rich

    : o (

    cliche

    flingers

    basically

    : o (

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  3. i don't know who you are but there's a dimension you are not seeing, same with mike and just about every zen master i have come across!

    what

    can i say?

    dogen mostly misses it to tho not entirely which accounts for his popularity in zen

    in actual fact dogen got a much better bead on it towards the end of his life and became much more like basho

    ashgavosha however sees it, that's really different and probably why we are all here !

    more

    feeding

    of

    the

    sharks

    i

    guess !

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeWGBX1UlFE

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  4. It seems to me, Andrew, that you are practising the very behaviour that you are criticizing. You are not the first person to do that. We all tend to do it. But you seem to be demonstrating this mirror principle in a conspicuously exaggerated way.

    I hope you accept this observation in the spirit of 11.53 which, as I read it, relates to the principle of negative feedback.

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  5. you are dead right about 11.53 tho perhaps not in the way you think, but i am dying and will be so in 10to 30 years

    this

    is

    what

    i

    notice

    about

    you

    have

    these

    savant

    streaks

    which

    are
    preternatural

    but

    walk

    over

    the

    obvious !

    the

    missing

    dimension

    is

    basho

    it's

    that

    simple

    why
    have

    you

    closed

    it

    off

    to

    yourself ?

    did you

    look

    at

    that

    bukowski

    video?

    you

    just

    have

    to

    stretch

    yourself

    in

    the

    right

    direction

    which

    is

    not

    sitting !

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